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Poster: Fireball Steve Zodiac Date: Aug 9, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Acacia Media Technologes

This company, about 7 years ago when I installed a paypal subscription script and was preparing to do a pay per view system for mainstream features on my site, sent me an attorney's letter indicating they hold the patent on downloading and streaming audio and video. I have had it confirmed by astute locals but want to run this by Archivers for confirmation. Their first tier of royalty fees started at $15k back then (Amazon apparently has paid this, they have videos for viewing via a pay per view system now). Needless to say I didn't follow through using the PP script but wanted to have this in the forums for all to discuss and to be aware of.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Aug 10, 2009 2:45am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Acacia Media Technologes

LOL .. I have heard that they started sending letters to adult sites some years ago to force them to pay the license fee ..
I don´t know if they ever tried to force companies like Google, Microsoft or RealNetworks to sign the license

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Poster: Fireball Steve Zodiac Date: Aug 10, 2009 9:33am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Acacia Media Technologes

I still have the letter and accompanying info. Google actually, last I knew, was being sued by Viacom for all the copyrighted movies that were being posted, it was something like 15 billion. I haven't had any follow-up to that but I do see where Google now pulls clips and plops a billboard saying "removed for copyright reasons" or similar in the clip's place. You're the second person recently tho who has reacted as if it couldn't be so. My attorney assures me to respect them so I feel like I don't know the answer to this yet. It's kind of scary being a poor working person trying to get to a goal and have these heavies hit you right betweenm the eyes and no way to prove or disprove their claim. I can't afford my attorney's feees to look into this, 300/hr. Like having a pair of pants but you aren't allowed to use the pockets. Anyway...

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Poster: k-otic Date: Aug 10, 2009 12:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Acacia Media Technologes

As far as i know, the only major company that paid for the DMT® license by Acacia Technologies LLC was Virgin Records back in 2001

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Poster: jonc Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:34pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Acacia Media Technologes

For years, Google/YouTube implemented no control over users uploading and showing copyrighted movies, with no rights or permissions. Hence, the Viacom lawsuit. But these are copyright issues.

Patents are a different monster, and an industry in themselves. There are companies that purchase patents and do nothing with them, waiting for somebody else to implement the same or a similar idea, then demand payment. Acacia is one of these. Then there are companies like Microsoft, who use patents like ammunition, making vague claims to scare customers away from other systems, implying that they might risk paying royalties to, or even litigation from, MS.

Acacia's claim is pretty broad, and it includes things ranging from online newscasts to distance education systems to P2P file sharing to, what else, online porn. Many settled with Acacia to avoid litigation. One group that did challenge their claim, though, was a consortium of online porn providers. I don't know what progress that case has made.

I don't think the Archive has anything to worry about. Acacia will go where the money is, and trying to squeeze royalties from IA would be a fruitless task.

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Poster: Fireball Steve Zodiac Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:39pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Acacia Media Technologes

I undertand your points. I raise this not so much for IA sake, but to inform everyone that this boondoggle, Acacia, is out there, and, having been victimized (I paid a negotiated royalty fee for one year), I think I should share the experience. Personally, I wish to believe that somehow the process of downloading or transfering A/V content is not patentable, that it is a result of other existing technolgy (the net, PCs, MACs, html, flash, photoshop, etc...) and to lay claim to it is not right (the transfer of data, no matter what form it takes, a text file, a jpeg, an avi file, it seems to me is below and at a fundamental level, and whether it is an Audio or Video file type is moot, it's ALL data), as a result a scare tactic to keep people like myself who have been streaming for years, at bay and cow towed.